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Westside Programmers

OTBC [Old location, do not use!]

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12725 Sw Millikan Way, Suite 101
Beaverton, OR 97005, US (map)


A polyglot programming group meeting in the heart of The Beave. We seem to talk a lot about oddball programming languages and their features. And the usual geekery you'd expect from a programmer's group.

This month we'll have a talk by David Hollingsworth on the Curl language (not to be confused with cUrl the commandline utility).

Curl is a statically typed object-oriented language that JIT-runs in a browser plugin along with a large number of companion libraries and an IDE. Curl also has an internal tool for compiling to C, so Curl is >90% written in Curl. It is not related to the wget-like-library also called Curl. See http://www.curl.com for more.

Some of the topics I can cover: * Why we (still) need a programming language for the Internet (and why Flash/JavaFX/Silverlight ain't it). * Mixing text and code: not the heresy XML advocates would have you believe. * Venture Capitalists ate my syntax: switching from Lisp-y Curl to C-y Curl. * Java Generics almost make me pine for C++ templates OR if {Array-of int} isn't a real type, your type system sucks. * Yes, Virginia, non-normalized Unicode means operations are O(n) (aka Strings are not really arrays of chars, but they're closer in Curl). * DSLs in Curl: source-to-source macros ala Lisp. * Refactoring is for wimps: a strong versioning mechanism partially mitigates the need for backwards-compatibility, but not entirely. * Plus the standard "ooh shiny" stuff.